מחופי ריו דה ז'נרו לחיי תורה בירושלים

Shalom, everybody. Welcome back to Hidabroot's show, "Embracing the World". Thank you for joining us, thank you for tuning in episode after episode to this space that features inspiring women who bring us their stories of overcoming, of resilience, of transformation, to help build our lives. -Embracing the World Chaya Bisker- Today I don't want you to look away because this show brings a super special guest. A Carioca (native of Rio) who has been here in Jerusalem for several years now, and she is going to tell us her story of transformation, of resilience, of faith. A cheerful woman, who

likes dancing and who is going to tell us how she got here, and how much she had to go through, and how much she had to suffer, and how much she can teach us today. It's a pleasure to be here with you, Hana, welcome. Thank you very much. -Welcome to "Embracing the World". Oh, how cute. I love it. It's exciting. Let's go. Thank you very much for having me. It's a pleasure, really. Well, it is a pleasure for us too, and you are welcome. Thank you. Well, you were born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Carioca, in Jerusalem. - Yes, Carioca. At the beach, almost. At the beach. Almost at the beach. I was

almost born there. But I loved living in Rio, I loved going to the beach, I loved parties, I loved everything. Always, always. Seriously, I used to go to the beach at six in the morning. It was like, really, a passion. Every day, almost every day. Carioca. Carioca and beach is suiting. Well, and this childhood in Rio de Janeiro, Hana, what was it like growing up in a Jewish environment, but with a different culture than the one you have now? Tell us about that. -Okay. I studied all my life at "Liessin" school, which is located in Botafogo, very close to Copacabana. Same, I loved it. At school

I was one of the students that all the teachers loved, that was me, but it was a reformist, secular school. We knew about Pesach. We knew about Sukkot, we had a Sukkah, but we didn't know... We knew etrog, lulav, but not the meaning. I don't know, it was very plain. It was like just stories, no energy. Tradition, of course, but I don't know, different. No Halachot, nothing that connected with Judaism. So a lot of my friends today are like, "Ah, I'm Jewish, so what?" But they know about it, they have pesach in their homes, like I had, they have Sukkot, that kind of thing. Shabbat, we knew the

blessing of candles, of wine, of bread, but we also went out to party. How is your family made up? What's their origin? - Origin? I have a dad, a mom. My father is of a Jewish family, from the island of Rhodes, in Greece, and Jews from Har Sinai, and my mother is a convert, but she always loved Judaism, she did not identify with anything else. So I grew up with my brother, we grew up jewish, of course, always, Jews, obviously Jews. In this secular school we learnt Hebrew, we learnt about Israel. I have always loved Israel and Jewish dancing. I loved them. I started dancing when I was very

young. Dancing has been a big theme in your life. Yes, to this day. God bless. I love it, I love it. I remained very connected to Judaism because of the music in Hebrew. That's it. I am Jewish, yes, because I dance. Just like that. Really. -Wow. Let's see, then, dad, mom, brother and you in Rio de Janeiro, in a reformist community. Reformists. What was Reform Jewish life like at that time? Reform Jewish life, well, we went to the synagogue every Friday, where my dad was a cantor. He sings, he sings and he loves it. He has such a voice. God bless. What is it like to be the daughter of the

synagogue cantor? Yes. -How was it? Everyone knew me as David's daughter. "Ah, you are David's daughter!" In my mom's circles, "Oh, you're Nadia's daughter!" They are very famous in their circles. My dad is very famous in the community. God bless. And it was... I felt like I was in the holofot, but I always loved it, I liked it, so it was okay. It's alright. So, there was, like, a kind of pressure for me to go on Fridays, but my parents were very... When I was a child I had to go. And I had to go to everything. Yom Kippur. I had to go to Pesach, I had to go to everything. But when I grew up,

I only went if I wanted to, if I didn't want to, that was okay too. But they liked it if I went. Well, it was a nice life, quiet, communal. You were popular. -Yes. Your dad was the cantor, your mom was a leader. Right. You lived a very passionate life with Jewish culture. So what happens next, when you make a jump and a transformation towards something much deeper? What is the story that lead you to this path of change? Wow. Okay. So when I was born... When I was like, I think my parents separated when I was 12 years old. So, from that point I started looking for, like, "Okay, so I'm my dad's

daughter, I'm my mom's daughter, But who am I?" At 12 years old. I used to go to the beach with my friends when I was 14 or 15, and I asked them, why does the sea reach this far and not further? Why is sand different from the sea? Why is the sun there, and now it's here, and then it's gone? Why is that? How is that? Where? Why am I here with you? I was very philosophical, and my 14, 15 year old friends would say, "No, come on, into the sea. come on, stop." Enough. Every day was a search for me, because, I don't know, the divorce was very difficult. When did your parents get divorced? When I

was 12 years old, I was like... Ah, just after my bat mitzvah. Yeah, just after that, really. But they waited until after my bat mitzvah to tell me. But it was like, it was very difficult because my dad went to live very, very far away, so I couldn't see him, and I was growing up as a teenager. Difficult. -Difficult. And the cell phone issue, they gave me their cell phone numbers, but I didn't know how to use it, my head is a mess. Not very good at those things, and they'd call and I wouldn't answer. It was a problem. Anyway. But I was okay with my dad. But I was like, bruised. Of course,

pre-adolescence arrives, the crisis arrives, your parents' divorce, existential questions. All together. -But, however, you continue, then you enter university. You study physiotherapy. -Yes. So, I finished school at 17, and one very important thing, the school dance teacher moved to Miami. And she, I don't know if she waited because of me, but she left just as I was leaving school. She moved to Miami and told me, "I want you to take my place at school as a dance teacher." And it was my dream. I had already started an internship with her. And I loved it. I was devastated because I loved it.

She liked me a lot. How do you say it? I love her. She loved you very much. Yes. -She loved you very much. Yes, and I loved her. You had been in her class for a while. In her classroom. Yes. Since I was nine. Ah, from the age of nine. -Until I was 17. And all that time you spent there, when that crisis began, you were already dancing. Yes. She was very important in my life. So, she put me in her place, and I went to college. But at the end of the year, a trip to Israel for three months came up, with "Hillel" of Rio, which is a famous organization. And I stayed in Karmiel for three months. It

was amazing. Nothing religious, but it was... I loved it. There were 11 of us, eight women, three men. It was the most wonderful experience of my life. I can't explain it. I loved Israel from then on, because when I was 16, I was still in school when I came to "Maccabi". I came with my volleyball team. And at 17... I came when I was 18 already. I came because of this three-month plan. And I didn't want to go back home. I said, "No, I need to stay, I need to stay." And then I found a dance course to train as a teacher, and I was already a teacher in Rio, at my school. And I said, "Well, I'm

here, it doesn't matter if I stay another six months, I stay here, I take the course, and that's it, I have a certificate, I have a diploma." And I called the school, they let me. My dad agreed to pay, that was another issue. But I stayed for another six months. Well, the guy who was there stayed too. And I had to return to Rio in August. But we had a tragedy in my family in June. Wow. I mean, two months before the course ended. That tragedy came that changed your life forever. Forever, yes. My brother had an accident, and stayed Friday and Saturday in the hospital, and on Sunday he passed

away. Your brother was... -16 years old. And he was... the angel the world needs. Well, he doesn't need to because he's with God now, but... He didn't fight with anyone. With me, when we were children, but he didn't fight with anyone. He was good in every way. Intelligent. He was the number one student. And he played the guitar and sang. And he was a professional, almost professional soccer player. And he had a girlfriend. And he was good at school. He was good at everything he did. He was funny. He was perfect. He wasn't supposed to be here. So he left on June 15th, and I was on the phone

with my mom, from Brazil, but it was 2008, there was no Whatsapp, so it was more difficult. And I didn't want to talk to my dad, because my dad is very... How do you say it? He has his feet on the ground. He knows what's going on. He tells it like it is. Practical. -Practical. My mom is also practical, but I think she had more hope. My dad was like... Well, this terrible tragedy happened. Yes. -You lost your beloved brother. Yes, I go back to Brazil. -You go back to Brazil. For the burial. And there, I suppose, the existential questions multiplied. Yes, times a million. No, it was like...

Before my brother passed away, I already asked questions. From then on even more, because I knew he didn't have to be here. All my Jewish education at school gave me the strength to say, that's it. His soul fulfilled it's purpose. He already did what he had to do. He didn't have to stay here any longer. God wanted him back. Not for a second did I have a problem with that. My problem was, "Okay, but I stayed. What do I do now? "Why did he go and I stayed? "Why me?" And also, I had a friend from my school, who also, same thing, had an accident and died. I think that's why I started asking too,

because she was 12 years old, and her sister was in Israel, just like me and my brother. And I said, "Why? Her poor sister, she's in Israel." And the same thing happened to me. I remember that. And I started wondering, "Why am I here? "What am I here to do? "Why am I the daughter of my mother and my father? "Why not of other people? "Why do people die of cancer?" They spend 50 years in hospitals, but he was taken in two seconds. Three days and that's it. That's it. So, the questions drove me crazy. I returned to Israel to finish the course, I went back to university to finish physiotherapy,

but everything lost it's flavor. I asked about everything, why? I'm going to college, but what for? As if it had lost its meaning. All the meaning. -Existence. All it's meaning. I didn't know what the point was before. Now, even less. Worse. It was like, "Why wake up?" You were curious before. -Yes. But after that came something like a before and after. Yes. -That left you a little lost, perhaps. Completely. -Completely. How do you get out of it, Hana? It took me a long time, I spent ten years on this search. Because at first I said, "It's okay, he left, but I stayed. So I'm going to do my

best to make the most of it." So, parties, that kind of things, and drinking, and God bless, no drugs. But almost, because I was like, "Let's live, "I have to celebrate life, I have to be thankful that I am here, but he isn't." Not because he isn't, but I have to be thankful I am here, but what am I here for? So it didn't make sense. So I kept partying, parties, many parties. And it went like that for about five or six years. It was a long time, but at the same time, there were days where it was like, "I don't want to get up." And I stayed like this for a month. From the bed to the bathroom,

bathroom, kitchen, bedroom. Sleep. Bathroom, kitchen. What made you wake up from this darkness? I began to look for ways to get out of it. I searched everywhere. Texts, Christianity, I don't know, testimonies, scientology, theology, I don't know, I searched everywhere. Oh, and what's more, I started drinking and eating, "Let's live", but then, "Ah, I'm going to die at 30, I'm going to have a heart attack." That's it. I was thinking about that. I was very depressed. Then I found something else, I don't know if I should say it, Herbalife. Can I say the name? Yes, diet shakes. And they changed

my life, because I felt very bad. I was always thinking, "Oh, I'm going to be obese, I'm going to die at 30, it's okay." But I felt bad. Deep down I am very cheerful, I am very joyful, I am very energetic, I love life. But these things made things very difficult for me. So I said, "No, okay, I don't want this any more. I need to feel good." I'm not that into it now, but come on. After two children it is more difficult. But I came across these shakes. And it changed my life. I lost 12 kilograms. And I felt like I could help people. So I started working with Herbalife to help people. But I also

did physiotherapy, to help people. I was always like this. But in the end it was like, they didn't want to be helped. It's okay, we're all going to die. I always came back to that. It was very difficult, very tiring. What was the breaking point? - Breaking point? When I came to Israel, God does things... I was looking through texts, and I found one that said that the meaning of life was to love and receive love back. And I loved it. I said, "Okay, if my brother, my grandmother," who had also died at that time, and my aunt, and everyone, "If they loved and were loved, then that's it." If I

arrive to the last day of my life and am able to say, "I loved a lot, I received a lot from some people, but I received a lot of love, then that's it, I lived." It's not about the food, it's not about drinking. It's love. Come on, love. Who do I love? And who loves me? At this time I had stopped dancing for about five years. And why? Why be happy? But I loved dancing. So, I walked out of my Herbalife office. I went to a tattoo shop to get a tattoo that said "folk dancing" with a heart, to remind myself that I love dancing and I have to do something with it. So you read a text that says, "The

meaning of life is to love and be loved." And you say, what is it that I love? Who are the people I love? -It's dancing. Who are the people I love? What are the things I love? So, the people, my family, my friends. Oh, and in the text it said, "Love everything. The air, the trees, the floor, the ground, everything." If you love all people, it's like the principle of empathy. If you love all people, some are gonna love you back. And I said, "Okay, I'm fine with that, let's go with it." Okay, so, people and things. What are the things I love? Dancing. Sure, but, Hana, that's a start, let's say

it makes a lot of sense, it makes a lot of sense, but where you are right now, It went from that point, from finding meaning in love, to the point when you became an Orthodox woman, observant, Haredi, you came a long way. Tell us a little about what caused that change. So, when I discovered that I loved dancing, I started looking for places to do the dances, and I found "Sha'arei Bina" on Facebook. Wow. That was it. Okay, "Sha'arei Bina", for people who doesn't know, it's a midrasha, the only Brazilian midrasha, the women's seminars. The Brazilian Women's Seminar in Jerusalem, a very

prestigious institution which has been in operation for many years. Yes, 18, I think. - How did you find "Sha'arei Bina"? I found "Sha'arei Bina" on Facebook. Some years ago they had spoken with me, I didn't know what it was. I asked them, "Do you have a space in Rio to do the dances? They told me, "No, we are in Jerusalem." I said, "Ah, okay, thanks." That was it. About a week later they sent me a flyer, "Come to Israel, 500 dollars, including a place to stay, a place to sleep, a place to eat, tours, three weeks." $500? It was very cheap. Give me two. I'm going. I hadn't been to Israel for,

I think, 10 years. And I said, "Sure, let's go. Can I bring friends?" -"Yes." I called several friends. One came with me. And I had an amazing time. But I told them, "I don't have any skirts." I live in Rio. I have short pants, shorts. Maybe... I wish. But skirts, dresses, no. And they said, "No, it's okay, you come anyway, whatever's fine, really." I felt like, "Are they really religious? "Ah, no, it's because I'm a guest, Okay, I'm a visitor, it's nothing important, okay." So I arrived, I met Tzivi and I met Rabbi Bracha, they are both... Rabbi Bracha is the... How do you say it? -Rabbi.

The Rabbi and he is lovely! Rabbi Bracha. A wonderful being. So you met Rabbi Bracha? I met Rabbi Bracha, at the door. And I said, "Hello, good morning." And he said... "Hey, how's it going?" With a smile. And I said, "This guy, 6'3", you know, very tall, in black, with a beard, with a hat, with chapéu..." Hat. -Hat. I said, "Is he religious?" Oh, okay, I loved it. This is it. And then Tzivi comes in. "How are you?" With a wig, with stockings, with a skirt. And she said, "Y ahí?" Like the Cariocas. But she is from Sao Paulo. And she said, "Y ahí?" That was it. I felt at home. At home. -At

home. With red pants. Red pants. And I was like, "Okay." The first two truly religious people, not the first religious people, but the ones I really got to know. Because the others from Rio, my dad was cantor, back then I knew everyone. But I wasn't really there. I did a little bit of dance work in Lubavitch, in Chabad. But I didn't talk to people, I don't know, I didn't have... I was wearing shorts. It was secular. When you arrive at "Sha'arei Bina" you arrive with your Carioca style. Yes, Carioca. Did you immediately bond with people and felt at home? I felt at home. - Since then, you

haven't left again? No. No, because, these questions, it was like, the classes, the Torah classes, began, and I was like, "Nice, for them." Oh wow! Very nice, very cool. Just not for me." -Not for me. Not for me, not for me, not for me. But I had a boyfriend then. Wow, that's another story. For next time. But I had a boyfriend. It's a very long story. Very long. He was not Jewish. And we met in Brazil. We met in Brazil like two months before. And we talked about staying together for a year. It was already decided, like, that's it. Then I came Israel, I told him, "I'm going to stay for a

month." And that's when I started working. I didn't want to come back. So I stayed another six months, just like the first time. So, I wanted to stay another six months. And I started the dance course again. Because I had fallen in love again. Right? This is the whole story of the tattoo, of the tattoo, it had happened like three months before I came. And I had been wanting to get a tattoo for like ten years, for eight years, since my brother died, with the "hamsa", the hand, with "chai", because it is Hana, and Yaakov, my brother, was called Yaakov. With the letters chet and yud. Chai,

Yaakov, in my body forever. But I never did it. I wanted to do it for ten years, and I did it about three months before coming to Israel. And well, there are many stories about that, but my boyfriend, when he decided to convert, Haredi, because he went to yeshiva, that is another story. He went to the yeshiva because I was in the midrasha for women. He couldn't come live with me, so he went to the yeshiva. But how did he end up there? That's another story. When he decided to convert, I said, "No, thanks, we're done here." So we kind of fought, we broke up, but we wanted to stay together. We

had arranged it, we stay together for a year. And he said, "Do you really want us to separate right now?" I said, "No, you're my husband." In my head I was already married to him. In my head he was my husband. I was very upset that he wanted to be religious and I didn't. What are you doing? You came to Israel as a gentile. Stay gentile. What do you want to be a haredi for? And he said, "Okay, how about this. You don't have to do anything. Don't change anything. Don't celebrate Shabbat. Don't wear a skirt. Don't do anything. But I'm going to ask something of you, that you study for me. Because

you're not going to be able to put meat on my cheese plate. You won't be able to use..." The utensils. -"The utensils, everything. But you have to know. In the room, on Shabbat, use your cell phone, the television, whatever you want. But study for me." I said, "Okay. I'll start." I thought that was fair. It was okay. He said I don't need to change, I don't want to change. That's it. But he asked me to study for him. Okay. So I went to Tzivi's class, the first person I met. I always went, I loved the classes. I was always a very attentive student. And she started talking to the class, like,

"Blah, blah, whatever, "blah, blah, blah, Shabbat, whatever, Kosher, and Torah, and God. That's why we are here, that's why God created the world." And I said, "What? You have the answers?" And she looked at me and said, "Where have you been for the last six months?" And I said, "No, no, no. I need to know now. "Do you really have the answer?" "Yes, Judaism does." This is believing in Judaism. I said, "Impossible." We did private conversations for about a week. And at the end of the week I celebrated my first Shabbat. I really wanted to know the truth, and what I learnt in Rio was that

everyone has their own truth. "Ah, yes, he believes in that, yes, she believes in that. It's okay. It's okay." And she said something that stuck with me. She said, "If anyone believes the Holocaust did not happen, is it true? I'm not talking about opinions. Only the truth. The Holocaust. He thinks it didn't happen. What do you think?" What do I think? I know it happened. So I said, "Right, there is one truth." Only one. People can believe what they want, but the truth is only one. There is one truth. What is it? We are looking for it. And the Torah is there for us. So I said, "Okay, I need to

understand." But that was it. So, this partner comes with you from Brazil, a non-Jewish person. He happens to enter the men's yeshiva. That is a story in itself. He decides to study Torah and invites you to study, and from the study, in a class by teacher Tzivi, who is wonderful, you find the truth. That I searched for all my life. Well, we're going to need about three more interviews for you to tell us about it. But look, time is short, and I really want to move forward with this life story, when you find the truth, when it becomes your thing. Dance never leaves you. What happened with that

darkness, that pain you had from your brother, since always? What about that? How do you feel about it now? Okay. So, I took a lot of classes. I thank all the male Rabbis and female Rabbis who helped me. They always help me, even today. We went back, we got married in Brazil, not here. And I came to live alone in Israel, so I started studying a lot of laws, because I had to live alone, I was no longer in the midrasha, because I have a dog, that is with me to this day. That's where I started studying with my friends from the midrasha, I met people, but one thing was, I didn't want to lose my

happiness, my joy. And I saw the religious women, and only Tzivi seemed natural, but the others looked... Like this, quiet. And I said, "I'm never going to be like that, I can't, it's not me." So there was like a fight inside, I want to do what they do, but not be like them. I want to be me and be religious. No, I want to live the truth. But I don't know how to live the truth being me. Exactly. So, there was a friend of mine, we were in Brazil, we were hanging out, and she was praying mincha, and I was sitting in a chair and I said, "She's religious, I know her. She's very, very cool,

very..." How do you say "legal"? Very good. -Very funny, hilarious. She is a wonderful person. How can she dress like that, and pray and do what the others do? It didn't make sense. She finished, and I asked her, "Friend, why do we have to be religious?" She said, "You don't have to be religious." I said, "How come?" "No, you don't have to be religious. You have to follow Torah and mitzvot." Be yourself, fulfill Torah and mitzvot. I said, "Great, I can do that." I know this. So here we are. From then on you follow Torah and mitzvot, being yourself. The best way I can, being myself. And what

is Hana like? God bless, Hana is very happy. God bless. I found what I wanted. Now I have the answers, because the whole story with my brother, the whole story with my parents, my own story, the needs of my soul, the needs that, I don't know, who I truly am. I also studied personal development for a long time. Personal development. -That's it. To discover who I was, and I discovered that I am good, I am amazing, I am wonderful, I am a person who can help, and I am a person who can inspire, and I am a person who can achieve many things, Really. And fulfill the will of God. Because God put me

here to help people. And I think dancing came to me because talents, God puts us here to do the things we have to do with our talents. And God bless, I have a talent for dancing, So now I have dancing sessions of women here in Jerusalem, in Beit Ya'akov, for women only, non-religious, anyone can come, but the music is for the soul. So, I avoid picking gentile music, in English, Spanish, I don't pick those, only Hebrew, and with positive messages, with nice lyrics. And I come out of there like I'm in the clouds. I danced for a long time. There is another dancing session that I love in Ramot,

which is wonderful, of a friend of mine. I love people and these people had a lot of virtues. from contrition. Lots of virtues. I love them immensely. But she plays all kinds of music. The feeling is different. Hana. It's amazing. You truly are a woman who inspires with your authenticity. God bless. -Because there are no secrets. No. -It's all there. It's all out. And it's worth seeing. What would you say to those people who today find themselves in that place of darkness just like you've been? I would tell them to keep looking, because living without answers is very difficult, and sometimes

the truth, the answers are not what we want, but they are the truth. So, we have to choose. I heard that in one of the personal development classes. You have to choose what your difficulty is going to be. Living healthy is difficult. Living fat is difficult. Living happily is difficult. Living sad is difficult. Everything is difficult. Living being who you are is difficult. With truth or without truth. You have to choose. And in my opinion, you should seek the truth, and not stop being who you are, because that's what will fulfill you. You stay fulfilled. It's like, wow, now I know why God

put me here. I know what I have to do. Days are not easy. No day is easy. But they can be good. They can be happy. They can be, not in spite of, because difficulties and joy go together. It's okay. -Your brother would be super proud. I hope so, it's about him too. He is himself. He was himself. I am me. So, he is proud. With God's help... But everyone believes what they want to believe. I don't know. God bless. Are you a mother of two? Yes, two cute girls. What is that cheerful mom like, dedicated to her search, idealistic, open? What is your life like as a mother? My life as a mother is

very, how do I say it? I think it's the same way my mom raised me. As if without... how do you say it? Without masks. -Without masks. It's like, "So you don't want this? Okay, what do you want? Okay, I can't give you this. Or that." It's like, very simple, but cheerful. Always with laughter, always with music, always with... I try my best. It's not always perfect, but I try. How nice. -Yes. What do you like most about living in Jerusalem? The air. The air of Jerusalem. It's Jerusalem. Before, when I was not religious, I said, "If one day I make aliyah, I'm not going to Tel Aviv. "Tel Aviv is

the same as Rio. Impossible. "I'm going to Jerusalem. I want Jerusalem." How nice. Hana, do the questions end, or do you always ask questions? I always ask, because my head is a mess. I tend to forget. So I ask and say, "Oh, no, I know. Okay, good." Always, I think, when you know, not when you believe, when you know that God created the world, and he created you and created things, and created everything, you don't have to fear, you don't have to ask. It's like, "Okay, I don't know what he is thinking. But I'm sure he does what's best for all of us, for me, for you, for everyone." So, I may

not understand why, but it is the best. I mean, you always have questions, and even if you don't have the answers, you know everything is okay. That there is infinite wisdom behind it. I always come back to God, he is the creator. He knows everything, and everything is for the best. Wow. -And that's it. What a lovely story, Hana! -God bless. There are many more things to talk about, many more things to talk about. My story with my husband is like... So long! - Private supervision> How I met him, how we came here, how we got married. We got married one day before Corona, and there were 100

guests. Corona news exploded and the next day there were only ten. We went through a lot. Such a shame we don't have time, but give us a message for those women who are waiting for their match, who have that desire to find their person in the world, what would you say to them, based on your experience? From my experience I would say to write, everyone says to draw, the ideal husband. I did it, I wrote 60, actually 58. He was not tall and blue-eyed. But I said, "Ah, okay, it's okay." But really, write everything down. Responsible, loving, everything, everything, everything. And leave it in

God's hands. Well, you know, ladies, write down 60 things that... 58 out of 60, it's perfect. -It's perfect. Yes, and leave it in God's hands. Leave it in God's hands. -That's the most important thing. Really. Hana, thank you very much. -Thank you very much. It's been a real pleasure having you. - God bless, really, thank you for having me. May we spread this joy, this authenticity of a Carioca woman who came today to bring us this story of life and transformation. I hope it reaches you, just as it reached me, and see you in the next episode, here at "Embracing the World". Thank you very much.