"כששמעו את השמות שלנו אמרו 'מוזר'": חנינת השם, אמו של אהבת השם גורדון, בריאיון מעורר השראה

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Okay. Sometime I will speak in English and you will speak in English and it's mix funny and if you not understand something Yeah. let me know and then we change.

Yeah. Thank you for inviting me to this uh special podcast podcast. You can say whatever you want. Friendship. Okay. Gracie Gracy. Oh,

Grace. Gracie Grace Philippines Gracie but we call him Grace. I was born in Hong Kong.

Yeah,

it was still a British colony at that time. Um and I was born and raised in Hong Kong. Um, so it's kind kind of like want to let people know that uh Hong Kong was a metropolitan city.

Okay.

Um, it was like people from all over the world live there and was speak many languages. English is like the main language and then Cantonese. So that's uh where I was born. I was um English actually my first lang my mother tongue.

Uhhuh.

Yeah.

Yeah. Because when I ask you, you know, I try to find some something that maybe you speak Hindu because I speak Hindu in Nepali and blah blah. You say, "No, I'm from Hong Kong. I speak English." Yeah, I was in I don't know how many nationality you consider especially at that time during the British column. Thailand. Thailand. Okay.

Okay. Philippines. Okay.

You're beautiful because you have so many No, of course. And you're not Jewish when you're a child. When you're born, of course. Yeah. So Jewish my husband's that's why you always tell people my husband is more Jewish than you guys when we went live in America. It was so fun.

Ken, so tell me how was your childhood in in Hong Kong? Um I I would say it was hard for me because um cuz I look different and there was a lot of prejudicism against me and mainly from Chinese people at that time. I don't know this is a culture thing. So um I really had a hard time growing up in um

in school. Um, and then I I often hear my friend's um, mother would tell their the girls not to play with me because her mother is not Chinese and they're foreigner. They always have special word for people are not Chinese. They call foreigner. Um,

in Thailand you say farang when you're strange like

yeah they call ghost.

Ghost translate ghost. So it was hard for me. I always felt like I wasn't accepted and I I didn't understand why cuz I was born there. I you know I can speak the language there. Um so it wasn't easy for me. Um then um

and your brother and sister feel also the same.

My sister um I have one one younger sister pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. Um she really trying to be one of them. So for her like she really tried. I mean, but for me, it was little harder for me.

So, I always feel, you know, felt different. Um,

wow.

And I didn't like it. I didn't want to live there, but I didn't know what what I'm supposed to do in the future. So, I I did tell actually I I told my father and I said, you know, I I don't want to live here. I want to move. And he always asked me, where do you want to go? I said, I don't know.

But I was really unhappy, always crying. I didn't want to go to school. I just I really had a hard time growing up. I was not happy.

Wow. I'm so happy to so sad. So I'm so sad to hear if your childhood was the same. I don't know if you became different. Yeah. Wow. Hong Kong and actually um we got actually I left Hong Kong when I was like in my early 20.

I left We moved to United States cuz my late husband Ara he was from New York and then they moved to Hong Kong got married and then we moved to United States.

Ah so you met you meet him in Hong Kong?

Not really. I mean we were penal in the same generation.

Facebook York. Okay. Again, can about

um probably have best support. They only he only like tell me a little bit like because I I was really curious. was always asking you know he said oh my mother used to light candle

and uh we keep culture at home but we don't keep culture outside and and it was really nice and every Friday they had dinner but as they got older and older the parents got older

they it seems get less and less because the children start to leave home want to go to army go to college and then um

it seems like nobody will get together even like khagim

so the parents will go away for khagim and then it seems like drift apartation. Yeah.

And you knew the Jewish community. You knew them? No. No. I heard but I know in Why?

Yeah. Um so actually um when I got his uh letter was his first letter he was like five pages it was like basically his whole life story and I say oh my god it's like me I felt like I found my twins because like his ideology uh he was a kiropak you know doctor of chiropractic

and um how he dedicates life to helping people um he was not maturistic Because in Hong Kong people are very materialistic and I and I was so different. So I just I was never into that world even though I was a fitness instructor

and I work with a lot of wealthy women that

and people was into shopping where to eat like all this stuff. I was not into it

and where to buy clothes. I was like I felt so forn I it was really amazing refreshing when I found someone that you know the auto ro

can

we think the same way in every aspect in our lives um like about like we want to help you know we want to help people because I always want to help women feel better about themselves.

Wow. and um whether uh feel stronger and they want to lose some weight um helping their diet just everything just want the women feel good about themselves that they they feel their worth you know um

so um so it was amazing and then because we never talk about money

not never talk about big houses and there wasn't our goal and dream all the material stuff we never talk about that

wow

we don't talk about family you know how he would like family. I I also wanted to have family and children and um and talk about how we can actually work together and and he was um he was also fitness instructor when I was younger.

He was a fitness champion

and uh he actually um broke a lot of record. I don't know you know about Iron Man.

Iron Man is like um they try to break record of pushup you know.

Okay. can pull up, you know. So, he actually had record like 700 push-up. Wow.

Wow. Okay.

And when I tell people, people couldn't believe. Yeah. But I think they got the gene from him because he was competitive, you know, very competitive. He was a natural bodybuilder. So, I was not competitive. I was like uh even I did a lot of performances. I love to perform like my daughter now. She's in Florida. She's cucas. Okay.

So I but I was not competitive. Um so um so it's like um so when he like when I find out all this thing he was into fitness. Oh one more thing very important cuz he no smoking, no drinking, no drug like no like all this thing was really important for me. I

I wanted to meet someone like me because it's really hard because like

people around me you know the culture smoking swearing I don't like people swearing you know he talk very nice well well mana and um also gambling

no gambling so all these

so on the package and Jewish

and also Jewish

yeah also Jewish rooting into health you know fitness um like me you know like so I I felt like oh my god it was like my twins um two months. Why?

But you know what? Actually, he he called me on the phone. It was at that time with no FaceTime.

Okay. I only got his picture, you know. Um he he got my picture. So, we kind of like see how each other look.

Okay.

And he phon me from the United States and he asked me to marry him.

Wow. lawyer. Okay. Okay. No, I also didn't understand anything. So was was no question. He never say anything. And then I said yes. And then when I told my friend said you're crazy.

Oh yeah.

I mean it could be he could be psychopath you know how do you believe what he said? But I truly believe everything he said and it's full to everything. I truly believe because I think the women somehow rebuild certain thing that men do not have. I I can say that because you feel something

and you know you know you know I can't explain it

just you know so I knew I knew

as two two months

two months but in your first meeting you are also married

wow

when he came don't forget he had to fly to Hong Kong it was a long way

and we got engaged and moved back to United States

closed his practice Yes.

And then moved to Hungary and we got married

and he moved to you. Okay. Sorry. So, say again.

Okay. And then you you start to build your family, you know, and how many children you before you change, you know, the the everything.

So, we we had a uh was first once born in Hong Kong and then um and we moved to United States and two were born in United States. But how I started to actually after we got married, I started to ask a lot of questions. First of all, I I study in a Catholic school and I the Bible was something that we had to study.

And I I knew a lot about the

I knew everything. So we study, we had test, you know. So and then um during conversation not just with him with his family and friends that they were really shocked that how much I knew about and because they didn't know he's like how do you know I studied but it was for me it was more like a story history

um so I yeah but like you know you know it's a story history I didn't we understand that actually that

actually It was real. It was real. Um but anyway, so I started ask a lot of questions. Um and uh so when he spoke about Shabbat and things like that, for some reason I was really curious and I start checking and reading start reading the Tanaka and I find the word Shabbat, but it was just never it was never occurred to me that word. But I remember in Hong Kong growing up that on Saturday in Hong Kong there's there place that close on Shabbat on Saturday and it was I remember certain shop they close in Shabbat on Saturday is I think it's called crocodile and I didn't understand why and I found out they actually adventist

you know say 7day adventist they keep survive but they close they don't do business on so all I remember

I say ah that's interesting. So um so since I couldn't really get a lot of information from him I start to buy books

about Shabbat. I start reading about Shabbat and I said, "Oh my god, Shabbat is a whole so much is about like like um you besides you don't work, you don't cook, you stay with family, you actually the day belong to Hashem's and you you go to syn." And I I said to my husband that I said, "Let's do Shabbat.

Let's do Shabbat, of course."

And then he said, "Well, I have to work, you know." So he was like,

"Wow."

So I my mother was living with me at that time and uh so um I I start to do something I could do at home. Not something I could do.

But he was not home.

Ken. Okay.

Because he works too late. But then I I like candles and I stopped answering the phone. I put everything under, you know, answer machine with machine.

I left the pursuit about seven days. You know, the guys that said you, you know, I created

um No, they were uh actually no, they was really young. I was like

was a baby like Yeah. No, they didn't understand. I just they just follow me whatever.

Anyway, Tashan was he was you know, she was not born. It's only one. M

um and so I I do whatever I could and I I didn't cook and the house was dark. I didn't turn light on and off. It was dark.

It was just something that how I started and then my husband came home the house was dark. You know, why didn't you turn on the light?

You know, so it was that that was my first Shabbat. It was very funny.

Um I didn't know what to do. Um because I was kind of alone and like when my mom and No. And also your your Jewish husband, he's not into it so much.

Yeah. So I just start reading Tanag. Yeah. So

and how how many years?

So I go gradually I started read more and more there were holidays and I said to him, you know, I I want to be with other people who also do Shabbat, you know, and um look at the yellow pages. You know where yellow pages? Of course.

We look like look for synagogue, look any place we could go like maybe we do shabbat together other. So we found one but um but at that time we were living in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. So the Jewish community it was not big mostly Amish.

They they look like Jews.

Have some people that confuse you know between Hish to Jewish people. Yeah.

Because Um so um so we found but um yeah we connect some people but they were not really like keeping a lot of thing that we want but but I just that was just to get how I started you know because I just wanted to be with other people who actually also kind of do Shabbat in a way

and um so but um that's actually

since then I and I said um you know maybe we should just leave this area to go to area that more Jewish communities and

and we actually we travel to Florida.

Uhhuh. Al and also because of the weather Pennsylvania is really cold.

Uhhuh.

So because after after the the um the the ice storm snow it was so cold that winter

you couldn't get out ice snow. It was really miserable. I didn't like the weather.

Wow.

And I said let's get out of here. I don't want live in the cold. I just don't want to have another winter like that. We couldn't get out of the house.

The snow was like buried. I mean, it's like when you open, you couldn't open the door.

Wow.

The snow was like halfway there. If you don't go out and shuffle the snow,

you could be buried underneath. Like,

wow.

So much snow. It's scary.

It's really scary. So, yeah.

Yeah. We travel to different uh baconist that we

and it looks at you like different because you

not really no like listen in America it's different you know um um I don't know just you know people oh no not just that I started cover my hair

ah wow

I started cover my hair so people just assumed I was Jewish

they did nobody asked me question you know I just I I knew a lot of things so I was it's not that I didn't know anything so when I came. So they kind like

they treat you like a Jewish woman that they just

Yeah. And then I started to attend a lot of uh shirim and stuff. And during conversation the rabbi and then he found out I never have official gu and then he said you know I I know but he you know you really need to do a official because your children won't be Jewish and it would be no explained the whole thing and I said to wait first of all um I I really feel like Jewish you know already like really like I was really into it and then um I said when did Ruth actually converted because in the Tanak I didn't I didn't see that Ruth actually converted but anyway so that was something I brought

up you know but anyway um I said okay so I started the process and then but u it was hard because we can't really live separately and at that time we We didn't um we were traveling. You know what's LV? Uh uh Alvie, you know what's Alvie? Recreation vehicle mean we were living on the bus.

We drive.

So that we had a home in Sylvania. We left it. We rent it out.

So we were actually living on the bus.

So it's it's impossible. And also um we just did whatever we could, you know, basically. And then um and of course I got I was and then okay we wait two children and then I got pregnant

and then the son was born in uh in Florida and then um at that time because I really really studying the Tanakh and then all all the ne start floating up and I I was reading about about um like Hashem said um said you know I will bring you back to the land of your forefathers and fish you you but it was something like really personal and I felt like it was speaking to me and of course when I share with with him and he said no no no he was talking with the people at that time you know wasn't to you

I really felt that that was supposed to move to Israel and I talked to

wow

you know is like no no but anyway so it's something that it was in the back of my head I kept thinking about

um pon I I woke woke up one day. I had a dream. The dream was so real that Hashem told me to move to Israel. Go pick everything up.

How how in the middle asked you to go to Israel.

And I say, "Oh, I" and I I told I told my husband like, you know, I had dreamed that Hashem said we should move to Israel. He said, "No,

he didn't want no." He said no. He he didn't believe that. He said because he said husband didn't tell me.

He didn't have the dreams.

And to be together, you know.

Wow.

So it was hard. And not just that at that time on the news it was always that was a lot of suicide bombing

and uh so and

wow 90 in the 90s. internet is I identified on the video knew that and um so like I was I tried hide all the news from him I didn't want him to read the newspaper like everything so I didn't want him like because first of all I want him to feel comfortable

so I had to really like slowly slowly you know try to convince him but I didn't want all the news

wow

to frighten him

he never We've been never been to Israel, you know. So I the Jewish family low but I think yes lot distant family but they're not in touch with I heard some distance very far.

But anyway um so and I told him you know uh at that time we were still in Florida. I said, "Um, let's sell the house." And he said, "No." You know, I said, "Um, I said I said, listen, if we can sell a house, let's try to have a te. Let's go to you in Israel." And then, um, so I didn't really say that we we're going to this is Yeah. So, and then um and we went back to um we drove back to Pennsylvania and then we contact the realtor who help us to buy the home at that time. And then um the realtor we had a meeting and she said, you know, it's not a good time to sell a house. Now, we actually

noticed when we withdraw back to our home, a lot of sign outside because we haven't been back to Pennsylvania for at least two and a half years. And there were a lot of signs people were trying to sell their home and the real you know the market is really bad now you will not be able to sell it because look at all these people been they couldn't sell their home

and I told her you know listen let's try because

God gave me a dream that told us she look at me like she thought that was crazy like

I said let's try you know because I I really believe that if Hashem wanted us to move to Israel everything would be Okay.

The house we saw everything.

Wow.

But two weeks

the house sold.

Wow. Wow.

Nobody believe it. Nobody believe. And we actually got back the down payment. We pay. We didn't make money. It was fine. We didn't lose money.

Can

and then um and the fan was very nice. They want everything to stay there that we put in. That was amazing. We bought ticket

to Israel. Is it you learn about him? No, actually we just went to Yshine because Yshine was the only place that we just thought we wanted to be there. We don't forget we were still tourist. So it was right

and so and then it was so we went to the bin set there a lot of angro you know angro

and um it was very nice and then they invited us for sh and so shana we spend our you know the whole shana with the family that we met uh in the in the show

and Then after that we um somebody told us about the place in Naharia. It's beautiful. And then we decide maybe we can spend Yong Kipur there. It's really by the by

just to you know so we we found Airbnb. We stayed there and then we spend Yon Kipo actually the owner of the B&B and we we spend Yonipo with them. Um after Yonipo we wanted to go back to Yanine. So I think we stayed in a hotel called Leilan. I think that's Levy Elon.

So we had a Sako there.

Um then we also went to hotel. So it was really amazing um for for all of us. It was amazing experience with a lot of people a lot of people you shine you know malay right and it was exciting you know you see so many suka all the places um people eat in the suka and the restaurants like mama was like I never see this in America. You don't feel like that in America.

Yeah. Yeah. He was excited, you know, and it just, you know, um don't forget he was a lot older than me, you know, for him to change environment was a little hard for him.

More than 20 years.

More than 20. Yeah.

So, um but he looked very young, you know, he didn't look his age. Um so, it's just to and I I understand that. So him to change and also is in safa in we just start to make friends you know

and um so and um at that time we at that time I knew that we're going to stay but I didn't tell him that we're going to stay but um I just wanted him to have a good time really enjoy and and then he we loved it. He said it's amazing because it's not what we saw on the news.

Shai was beautiful. It was exciting in the street. We can say Shabbat shalom to everybody.

And then the shook clos you know seems like that's Shabbat. You feel that you know you know you don't feel it. You know I we spend a lot of outside you don't feel only in the shoe you feel some when you go out it's like

and then people don't know like like you don't they don't know it's like that it's different you know so I really really love and he loved it too you know it was amazing I enjoy so much to say shapasong to everybody that I I didn't know I just love it you know

and I was and the one time oh it was crazy one time I say shapas from somebody I shouldn't say to. I didn't know because he looked Jewish to me. He was not he was Arab.

Uhhuh.

And he said to me, he's like, "It's not alabat. It's nothing to do as not it's not." I said, "Oh, sorry."

Because you know a lot of um Mim say look Arab and I didn't look different. I can't tell because a lot of mis they look like Arab. So I thought Jewish

you didn't know that.

Yeah. So I confused. So anyway, so um so I met somebody in Yaleim and they said we were just thinking like where we going to go next. I mean I was thinking like where you going to settle although I love you Shal. I really love but I would check out some apartment there. Uh I my was like our dreams like to live near the hotel like but the thing is

all the apartments are so dark.

It was hard. It was like I felt like a dungeon. It was like so dark. No, I don't think it's I want something open cava.

My I love you. I love near the kota. My dreams able to walk the kota every day but it doesn't seems like the environment I could live like you know that. So anyway so someone suggest Tavaria.

Uhhuh.

You know is beautiful like Hawaii blah blah blah and it's a month after and I say oh okay. So we went there. It's beautiful. It's flowers, you know. You know, canerit. Wow. So calm. It's like like Tima.

Wow.

Three and a half years.

But it was hard because like it's not many people speak English there. And then and every time they ask him,

so it was hard. Um, and then my husband couldn't find work there. Um and then um so he started to travel to Shalai you know and um but uh so he I only see him once once a week. So it was hard and then he start to work with the angel a lot of English speaking people in Shan but actually I want to go back a little bit something I forgot to tell you when I arrived uh in Israel that day. I think I I need to mention that um when the plane arrived in Lingorium, I looked down and and I started to become very emotional. My body start shaking, crying

and I felt I was coming home.

Wow. I felt I didn't understand why. Then I think all my life I think I told you something about my childhood in Hong Kong.

All my life I felt like I didn't fit in.

Why?

I I at a culture everything religion uh in the in Hong Kong I felt I I couldn't fit in the people. And now it's for the first time my even America I didn't feel like home.

Wow.

I didn't like to live in America. And then the moment I we arrived in Israel, I was like,

"Wow."

And um this is another reason. And I said to myself, I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. I couldn't tell him, but I said, I'm not leaving.

I am home. I'm home. Finally, I'm home. lay mama's lay if you keep this he also have to keep you know he also have to keep because this is same house but you know it's hard to teach a old new trick. So the rest of the note America your dad say Hashem has a sense of humor a good sense of humor he because when he was writing to me and his brother he was not happy actually Martin and he said why are you going to Hong Kong this She's not Jewish.

You want the fitness instructor? You can find somebody in New York, but um it's my It's funny because and then uh Mari like wow got really good sense of humor. He brought you all the way to um to Hong Kong

and then here there's someone that gonna bring you back to Yadu and bring you back to Ed.

Wow. Ed cordesh

it was amazing when he said that and also met a rabbi in when we spend in in Rova. We spent a lot of time in Roa. So I met a lot of people and this rabbi said to me you know So when he explained to me then I said it makes sense to me mama. Everything makes sense to me everything like why do I feel that way and why I was growing up so unhappy where I was. I didn't know where I belong. can

I didn't feel I belong to because remember like we we mix east and west culture in Hong Kong and we have all a lot of holidays but I never like to celebrate all those holiday and they didn't like it I just didn't I always do everything the opposite what they wanted me to do

wow

they didn't like it but mamasa was really rebellious you know and I didn't know why I was doing that mamasaka

but after the rabbi told me that everything makes sense to me

why I felt that way, you know, and then um

so yeah. So you feel very Jewish outside you looks you look you know woman what you do you know because you know Now it's less question. Okay. But always what? What kind of name? Okay. Okay. Okay. Can Israeli when they heard our names they think we what kind of name is that? You know, we don't use Hashem the name and and some people don't not they won't even call us the whole name, you know. Sorry, we can only call you the first part, not the second. So,

but um at that time for us, I think the names really important kind of reflects us who we are. Um can actually um Braha. He had to change his name also.

He changed his name from Dana to Azia

Lama.

He felt Az Hashem helped me. So he felt that's what he needed.

And he didn't connect with the name Daniel.

Why my name?

But it was actually Yes. She Dennis

Ken.

Okay. Dennis Daniel. But he couldn't connect with that name. So after mitzvah he changed his name change his name saya

man

ken ken um but we felt that um so we you remember I told you Dr. auto ro.

So when we name our children, we felt the same way too. We want the children um to have their own names and character. They can and maybe they can mold into the names what we want them to be. But it also reflect our story, our spiritual journey. Okay. Wow. Avat is a story of our spiritual journey you know um because we needed thema we needed the shem it's more for for both of us we needed from we needsma to deal with a lot of things and um especially after being was so difficult is bureaucracy in safar It wasn't easy. I mean, how many times he wanted to go back and it was hard. It was hard to I would get to that too. I'll tell you more.

And to show Hashem at that time, we were praying for a girl and because I had few miscarriages and it was a big

and I I really had a hard time and um it was hard. So we praying praying and when we finally get when I finally find out I was pregnant and then my husband and I thought oh that was my gift and he went to dictionary

he found the word matana

he loved that he loved that

so and um because We want to have Hashem's in the names. Um, and but we don't, it's not really his name,

you know. So that's why I don't know why people got so upset, offended because like it's not really his name. We're just using his name. His name. So um, so anyway, so and then um, when I was born,

we were in Florida and um, first of all, all the birth home birth, we did all everybody birth at home. Wow.

And and I at that time we were living on the RV alv. I told you octopus like okay that was our home octopus

and um it was a lot of question um ah what we going to do about the birth and we thought maybe we can check in the hotel but I have no idea when I'm going to give birth. I so and I asked Hash I put all the I wrote down everything that what I wanted from Hashem. I want her give me I need a place I needed um a simony like when need to go

and that time I like I remember Kof Shakado it's impossible to book any hotel and I pray to Hashem please let the baby born after Kof Shakadoo so I can just walk in I don't need to reserve a place

and then um and then um I want the baby to be born around like Um uh we call it pound in America we say pound it's like two six pounds can

because born 7.6 six pound. I thought it was a little bit too big for me.

And I said to I want six pounds. I want you six pound.

I said I want six pound, not too big. I want um no pain, easy, you know, all the things I wanted like have the whole list and I prayed about this every day. Voila. So um so and then uh so I when I had to it was my month after coish it was September everybody go back to school vacation finished

and um so I and I check out a few place and I didn't really like those hotel and then uh finally we met somebody actually we were in the campground you know this campground I did the maz campground so when we parked the RV like this there's c it's like like a big buck buck the so people have RV like us the go to booth everybody park there

can

so we had my show team oh yes

can

so during the when we were staying there and automat having conversation talk about my mother is going to have a baby and and I don't know why he was saying oh they're looking for the hotel like so you know children

and then uh this person said you know there's a place Ah, it cost Star Island.

It's a resort and maybe you guys should check out that place if you guys want because you work there and then if you guys want it I can give discount it's a fivestar

wow

resort normally is very very expensive I won't tell you how much normally cost because it's after coffee though it's connection

hashem loves you

and we pay very little 10% we pay 10%.

It's like um like it's like a villa, you know, but it's actually like a condo but a big room and jacuzzi. I wanted a jacuzzi at jacuzzi. How cool. At that time we were when we want to do official paper aliyah

and um so it we're a lot of problem

with the paper and then um it was really hard it was really hard because

um I don't know um our our experience with Mr. Punim was not easy.

It they didn't give a easy time. And then um and then my husband is bra. He was just like he was very upset because like he he we were having the conversation. They said he said we think that they want us to come to live in Israel. But there attitude was like I don't care you coming because they were not trying to help us.

It was cash. So anyway, so make the story short. So we were we were able to get all the papers and everything blah blah blah. Finally we got the the citizenships the other and um and then also um like um everything that I asked for.

Yeah. And then um at that time when she was born actually Ketti Ketu he was born in Mikd so we I gave birth in the house in the we didn't have bathtub it's like a little t when so same kind of shin baby was born in the same place

and when she was born I was very happy

and then um and also um she look happy

and um we we really felt like Hashem was really good to us and um and we felt happy.

Wow.

Yeah. And also we also had a connection with the Rabbi Simka. So we thought ah perfect. Okay. No, we moved we left we left down we moved to Ephra

and then uh but I was pregnant with

but I I didn't give birth there and then we left Ephra and moved to

Nakniah. So I gave birth to Ruak Shambikenu and um at that time when he was born we just felt that we really needed the ruach in our lives.

Wow. And um so it was after he was born the thing and we both felt the same way at your dad. Every time we named the children we both felt the same like same thing when Imam was born after he was born in Jacuzzi and I just say I said it just came up in my mouth and my and we never argue by the name. We never argue like we bel f we both felt

this is it this is the name. So be you know and when we were near Shu because the family the people knew this family came in have very special names they're very different you know everything and then so many people came to the bridge wow and then it was like everybody wanted to know it was like and then when I say rock everywhere like it was crazy like a headline Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

I've been of seek.