מה עושה אישה כדי לשמור על אפשרות ללדת גם בגיל מאוחר? אפרת ברזל בשיח פתוח לנשים בלבד

When we got up in the morning, there was no electricity, and there was no water. But I head downstairs, and only here was there electricity. To see the Creator of the world in every aspect of truth, nature, reality. "Patuach", let's begin. Things can't be done so easily and naturally for everyone. Sometimes this holy idea of having children requires a different effort. Hello, Sarah, from Bonei Olam. Hello. And hello, Adi Gold, the director of Dr. Eran Gold's clinic. Let's talk about the moment when Plan B is needed, the solution that the medical world offers to preserve this holy thing called

children, child-bearing, and preserving this process. What actually happens when a girl, young lady, single, woman is getting older, and the ability to have children demands safeguarding. First of all, the ability to have children begins at a very young age, for girls who marry young, which is the majority. And then, if you're married for a year, two years, today it's less, they used to wait for two years, today it's a year already. That's it, you can't bear it anymore. And then, basically, they turn - they turn either to the Bonei Olam organization, to know what to do and how to start, or

directly to a doctor. When they turn to a regular women's doctor, from Kupat Cholim, he doesn't know how to give fertility treatments. He gives a few tests, it's not a complete treatment. If there's a fertility issue, they need to go to fertility doctor. You can't go to a regular women's doctor, who does pregnancy tests and relatively simple things, and request fertility treatment from them. So the first thing we do, is we say, what tests have you already done? And also, as part of the question, you can understand a little bit which direction the issue is taking. The first thing is to find a

fertility doctor. Of course, we recommend, there are doctors we recommend, and usually they start with Kupat Cholim doctors. The problem grows over time, it starts with pills and shots, and then we move on to the more expert doctors, who deal exclusively with fertility, and they know how to give the best treatment. Adi, your husband is Dr. Eran Gold, and you, and I think what's special about your practice, is that you give such a family feel. It's not just Dr. Gold waiting in the clinic, it's also you. What, and soon we'll enter the journey that will provide more details to the singles who

are looking to preserve their fertility. What is it that you feel, that when they come to ask for help with having children, which doesn't come naturally, what is the emotional support that a woman needs? First of all, really, when women contact us, they come to me, and out of some need that we noticed, and I noticed, and paid attention, as Dr. Gold's clinic developed and further specialized in the area of fertility, I really noticed the need for women to come, in a discreet way, both personally and privately, to a clinic that is smaller, all-inclusive. And really, because Dr. Gold is so

busy, and he works, you know, really, it's a sacred job, but I entered the picture, and I brought up this whole issue of the clinic to give them my own personal, private, address accompanying him with everything that they need. And I really experience women who contact me and say, and sometimes write to me through all sorts of channels: "I need a child now", "I can't conceive", "help me", sometimes they cry... And I really, I'm there, I have the time, I have the will, and I have the ability to help, to listen. And it's this lifeline, a second before she comes for a check-up, or, you can

definitely relate to this, they're just, they're very pressured, they're under a lot of pressure. And for example they also tell me, "No, wait, but without hormones." "No, wait, but without..." "They'll send me straight to IVF" "Straight..." And even if it's preservation. Okay, let's talk about preservation, because it's important to us. I'm getting there. There's also fear there. Fear of being alone. Here, I think Sara can also start. Girls contact me. By the way, I answer 150 calls a day, only about fertility, so there are days when I'm already exhausted. But really, it's because I come

from the place that I was in, so I give my all in every conversation. So when someone single calls me and says, "And what do I need to do this for?" "Why do I need to enter into all of this?" So I tell her, "you do life insurance, car insurance, health insurance, that's insurance. All the insurance we do, we pray not to use it. You will have frozen eggs, and that will be your insurance. You will get married, with G-d's help, quickly, let's say you're 38, let's say you'll get married at 40, and you'll enter a natural pregnancy, but the second one may not come so quickly anymore, and the third

one may not come, because you'll be age... You have frozen eggs, you have insurance. You can use it." Explain to us, what does it actually mean? I mean, for someone who lands in this interview like from outer space, now, what does it mean, "freezing", "preservation", what are we actually saying here, for a woman? The younger an egg is, the greater chance it has to succeed, to survive, to succeed, to be receptive, and with G-d's help, to result in a child. The whole story itself, of the effect, is that they need to go through initial tests. It's not pleasant, it's not pleasant for anyone,

certainly not for someone single. They need to start injecting themselves. Again, it's not pleasant for anyone. And you're doing it alone, it's not like you're doing it with the husband. You're doing it alone. So we, the support group, it's not just me, we envelop them, we help them, we listen to them. I personally, also twice a week, I'm at the hospital, so I also, if something is going on for them on my day, they're happy, because I'm really, and also sometimes I bring in the morning some chocolate, something, a cup that says "Good Luck". Like, we're with you, we're not... You're not alone.

That's something you have to, you do have to clarify. Because really, there's a lot of feeling alone around this process, unlike, for example, a couple who are now trying to, to have a baby, but they're together, and they come together, and it's... the heart's desire of both of them. Also both of them... Yes, and he accompanies her, and they enter together, and still, and sometimes they both talk to me, you know, and also with Dr. Gold, but, but in the end, when you, I meet people who call, and it happens more and more today. Alone. Alone, also the feeling of loneliness, and this decision to

go through this process, now, apart from all the feelings that come with it, it also has, it also has financial considerations that need to be taken into account. And it's also something that needs to be pointed out. Talk to me, according to the order of events, about the decisive moment. That is, a girl feels that she tried, and she's doing her part, and she's meeting people... Yes. And her righteous knight on a white horse still hasn't arrived. And she understands that the body is going and undergoing wear and tear, due to the fact, that we are subject to the laws of nature. And there is an

opportunity that medicine offers, and so does the Halacha. Yes. We, in his time, approached Rav Shteinman, the director of Bonei Olam, and I was there too. He said to spread this publicly, not in the newspaper, because children read the newspaper, but wherever girls meet, there are meetings of girls. I went once to Yavniel, and once here and there, and I told it to the girls who were there, about the whole process, and they were very interested, and a lot came out of it. Some of these girls did fertility preservation, some of them also got married, some of them also had children, they really

kept in touch, because I was a part of this, that pushed them into this whole story. And Rav Shteinman gave his blessing? Yes. I feel that sometimes it's also a transformative process because many times, when you come to some decision, when you go and do it, something happens, and suddenly you meet someone. Right. And it's like, you can't explain it, but the moment someone is comfortable with something Now, look, really, I'm not trying to be on this side because I wasn't there. It's just from feelings that I receive, and from conversations with girls, young girls who call me, and they're

already young, but they're not that young anymore, and you're under 40, but you're already 38, you're not 32, and you're already seeing your friends, getting married, having children. It's very hard, and it's hard for me to talk about it, you know, that it shouldn't sound judgmental. That it shouldn't sound like, where am I compared to everyone else? But it's there. It's there, but if you accept the decision, then I think something happens. Something happens. Suddenly you meet someone, suddenly, exactly, I've always kept in touch with them, then they call me, "I got married." They call, "I

also conceived naturally." And then you also have extra eggs. And I'm very happy about it, sometimes I don't even remember them. Yes, it doesn't matter. Yes, it's the process. The process, because it's like there's something in the process. Acceptance. She wants to be a mother. That's it. Now, this is something I want to talk about for a second, because we're also women with Yiras Shamayim. To understand where faith is found under this umbrella. Because until the moment a girl decides to do this process, which is basically a medical intervention, injections, hormones, retrieval, and freezing

of this vessel, which is the vessel that holds the blessing of children. But until that moment she had faith that she would do things how they're done normally, that she would get married, that this process would take place in the body, quietly. Suddenly there's something that, let's help, in faith, does it contradict faith? Does it contradict regular waiting? This is faith itself. Because if we believe that we want to be mothers, but at the moment, for reasons, that are also Divine, this too is faith. My partner hasn't come yet, but I can do something to be a mother in the future. I'm

preserving it. This is the faith. Whoever does it, is a believing woman. A woman who doesn't believe doesn't do it. Right. And I can also point out that I meet a lot of women, after all, there is an age limit for preservation. It's between the ages of 36 and 41, if I'm not mistaken. Even younger than that. 34, yes, up to 41, there is an option to preserve. And I really encounter women who just a minute before, suddenly wake up, women who are 40. I don't know if you meet them too. Exactly. But they're still going through this process. And it's also, it's really borderline. I have to tell you

that this episode in Patuach, was initiated and requested by endless requests from singles who wrote to me by mail, "Wake up, speak about it, women are losing their children - because they don't know enough about it." And they send me pictures of babies and of children who were born, some as a result of this process, and some as a result of weddings. It's not a process that negates the possibility of a wedding or will change... And I have here a righteous single woman, named Eliana, whom I met in Jerusalem during a lecture I gave to single women, and she wrote a song about this process she

went through. Because it opens up, even in our conversation now, which I want to touch on, to something very emotional within this thing. So I want to read this song because it's the beginning, this process is the beginning of a kind of pregnancy and birth, on its own. And that's amazing; certainly someone who would love to be a mother. So she called it, Eliana, she did the process, joyfully, calm, happy. She called this song, "Scribble Children" "My children who will come are of the purest songs that I will sing. They are the most beautiful words I will write, and the most precise text I

will need. Magic. And in the meantime, I will transfer to paper, the desires, dreams, and yearnings, the laughter of children, care and softness, the desire to give and love, so much love! And until I embrace the journey of life in my hands, and I will whisper, welcome, my children, until then, I will be a sketch of a mother." Wow. Strong, strong. Yes, wow. Right? Because there's something that starts this process, even if you're single, to deal with your body, with counting days, with pills that support the creation of options, of a vessel that will hold a blessing soon, you're already

starting to deal with motherhood, before... Sara, how does society react to this? Today, I think society reacts to this excellently. The girls, between themselves, speak to each other. There are girls who insist and think that this doesn't count as effort. I cracked many of these tough nuts, and brought them, and I haven't heard anything but thanks from them. Because it's really a process that if you explain it well, and if you understand it well, it's a process of absolute faith, of effort, like everything else we invest effort into. So this, which is the most important thing, for everyone,

wherever, that she should have a child that she has a future, it's just wonderful. Today, I think that when we started, it was like a taboo topic, and slowly, you saw how it opened, and how more girls came, and more girls came. And they even talk about it to each other. I think that both the IVF process and the process of fertility preservation, which we're talking about more and more now, there was some kind of taboo about it. I mean, people were embarrassed. I mean, did you experience embarrassment? I didn't tell anyone until my son was born. People don't get involved... I didn't tell

anyone that I did fertility treatments. I did 20 treatments and I didn't tell anyone, except for my parents and my husband, no one knew that I was doing treatments. There is a kind of feeling of shame, like, what's wrong with me? Again, we're going back to being alone. Failure. Also with fertility preservation, and also with IVF, you feel that maybe your body is rebelling against you, specifically in IVF, maybe yes, but with fertility preservation, there are also obstacles along the way. I mean, it's not always rosy. You have to talk about that too. There aren't always eggs. I think you can

add here, that it's not always successful, there aren't always eggs as expected. It isn't always the case... Yes, there are also disappointments, and you have to talk about that too. It's not always rosy. It's really not an easy process. Either way. And I think that specifically the openness, to talk about it, to make space for it. Forget about me, like they're calling me, talking to me... along these lines, take Sara, that she's getting the same conversations, she holds more, she talks more, it's really an organization. What do you see when a girl comes to do this process, or even a married

woman, what do they need the most? What is the most important thing to give them? I'm mainly experiencing a feeling, a kind of indecisiveness, to take this step. Meaning, they're interested, they're still checking, they need more, it's like, not to push, you know, it's a bit terrible to call it that. But really, another conversation, and I think that in general, the first meeting with the doctor is mostly about getting information, mostly support and conversation. And there's a lot in women's medicine, and I also experience it with Dr. Gold, that it's a lot of conversations, it's a lot of

psychology, it's a lot of, you can sit for an hour with a girl, even an hour and a half, I mean, it's long sessions, it's a consultation, and not because, you know, they ask me, what's a consultation? Is it a check-up, advice, session...? You call it whatever you want, you come towards something big, you get all the time you need, and it's not... it's humane. Exactly, and it's not... Because Dr. Gold, Yes, yes, I know him, not personally, but I see how he interacts, and how he speaks, even simply saying hello to the girls in the lab, it's already... Because there are those who don't even say

hello... It takes a second, it takes a second to linger there, and you have to, and I also tell them, arrive calm, arrive with time to spare, don't come under pressure, to a meeting, give the space you need for this situation, to also receive all the information, also to get used to the idea. Usually it doesn't end in one session, they need a second to think, they need to get back to me, they need... What scares them the most, Adi? That it won't succeed. And also, there are some people who are afraid of the injections. The injections, yes, but... that the process won't be successful. And

gaining weight... and the hormones. I get moody. I'll be like this, I'll have to... How do you do it? But also from the... If it doesn't work out... Yes, if it doesn't work out. That is, I tried and tried, and it didn't work out. And I didn't have good eggs. And what will happen? And many questions. Sara, what do you actually inject into the woman's body, so that the process will succeed, that it will peak? Injections of hormones, and every two or three days they check and then see if it should be increased or decreased. Are they injected in the abdomen? Yes. In the abdomen. She's supposed to

inject it herself, but there are many who are scared that come to me and I inject them. Because a person doesn't like to poke themselves. And then, according to... of course, the doctor says what to continue, or to remove a little from the... from the dosage, so that she won't be filled with some 30 eggs, which is dangerous. So the injections and this hormone Gonadotropin, Yes, yes. It actually creates a boost inside the woman's body, that... stimulates the ovarian hormones, it stimulates everything there, so that when they come, you'll explain to me shortly about the retrieval itself, is it

done under sedation? Yes. And it will be more effective. Meaning... So in the beginning, it's injections into the abdomen, according to the dosage... Because the body produces one egg, and you want to preserve many. So you want many eggs, not just one. And give me a timeframe for this. Meaning, from the moment we get to the consultation, and we're smiling, and we explain the process, from the moment they start injecting the first injection, until the end of the process, how long does it take? 10 days, 12 days, 14 days. That's all? Yes. You have two cycles, usually. Yes. And... Two months,

max, you're finished. Yes. So we said, injections of hormone. Check-up's every 2 or three days. Blood tests... To check ovulation. To see, yes. Like the blood registers the message, of the whole process there, and it's possible to know through it. Yes. And also ultrasound. Ultrasound. Ultrasound, which also sees the process from a visual point of view. And then a day is set, and the woman arrives at the hospital. Yes. And there, they actually give her anesthesia. Full? Yes, full, light. General, light. Yes. No, it's not... It's not like a surgery or something like that. No, no, no. They're

not unconscious, it's nothing like that. Okay. And then, basically, they inject, an injector and retrieve... Yes. They retrieve the eggs. Where do they put them? It goes into a test tube. From the test tube to the lab. The lab puts it in a tray, looks at it under the microscope. An egg is something, it's a pen point, that you can't see with the natural eye. And they take the egg, and there's a special tray that waits, for the eggs, with a special material that preserves them. Okay. We enter there in our role as supervisor. We also saw the woman when she went in. We said hello, she saw us. We

saw her. We saw that everything was clean, there was nothing else from a different woman. And we, with her name, and her ID, we sign. What do we sign? There's the woman's page, so we stamp it with the stamp of Bonei Olam, and we have other protective measures, and we're always with them. So when we work now with the eggs of that woman, we're actually sitting, let's say she's sitting here, I'm sitting here. I see everything. I see the operating room, I see the tests arriving, I see her putting it in the tray, until the end, when she finishes counting, and putting it in, and transferring it to

where she needs to move it, I already set aside a place for her to put it. They gave us places in the incubator that we can lock and close. So I put the sticker, the signature of Bonei Olam, as soon as she puts the eggs in, I lock it, because I don't have to sit there on top of them, they want, let's say, to process the eggs in an hour. That's according to the law. Like, an hour, and after 2 hours, to freeze. I mean, there are things that they have a certain order. So with freezing eggs, that's what's best. It happens that it's a little less, maybe a little more, but... It's amazing. Like,

it's very soothing. That someone oversees, that there are no errors, that we hear about them, and all kinds of... Of who...whose are these... No, this information is critical. Right. Very interesting information. Adi, you know, you can describe this whole process so medically, chemically... Right. But I meet, on the human, personal side, even, I dare say, characteristically, the language of character, differs so much, each one, and her character. I mean, I met a girl who, at night, went somewhere she knows, what you're describing, Sarah, where the eggs are stored, that just came out of her,

that's you, that she's still, let's say, 32, and a day will come and there will be use for it, and the egg came out of her when she was in a certain state of mind, a certain mood, she loved certain things, and she's standing outside the hospital, and she's praying for her children, who are now at the beginning of their journey, here in this room, and it has an emotional effect. Yes. That sometimes brings a greater possibility for weddings, because I already have this thing out of the way. You know, we always talk about married women who gave birth after years of not being able to give birth,

for some reason, they adopted a child, a lot, also here in Patuach, and all over the world, the adoption of a baby, suddenly, something happens to the woman, she's busy taking care of the child, she's happy, she's joyful, she's full of giving, and then she naturally brings children into the world. I have a different explanation for that, Tell us about your experience. I've heard a lot of stories like that. So I want to hear the explanation. So I will explain. I got married at 18, at the age of 20, I didn't conceive - at that time they said to wait 2 years. We waited patiently, we enjoyed

life, as a young couple, getting to know each other, being together, To strengthen the bond. And when we started the process, it wasn't like these days, it was during the years that they took your temperature and predicted whether you'd have a child based on that. Right. it was during the years that they took your temperature and predicted whether you'd have a child based on that. Right. And the treatments didn't exist yet. Ultimately, after I went to the biggest professors of that time, they said you need to do an X-Ray of the uterus, and then the next problem was discovered, that my tubes

were blocked, there was nothing to do at that time, they put me in the operating room, they opened my stomach, how crazy is that, and they opened my tubes. A year passed, and I didn't concieve, so they said okay, we need to check the tubes again. So they checked the tubes again, and they were blocked again. And then they already said that in the US, no it started in Europe, there is a treatment, "tube bypass," there is a treatment, "tube bypass," which is called IVF, and it's just right for you, because you have a problem with the tubes, this treatment will come, this is the solution for you.

So I sat and waited. We didn't even have a phone at home, it hadn't been installed yet in our neighborhood. I would go down once every few months to the public phone, I'd call the clinic, "did the treatment arrive yet?", "no it hasn't arrived." Until one time, it had arrived. We made an appointment with the doctor, and when we got there, we got there and he explained the whole process to us. Now it was like I would tell you now, "we're traveling to the moon." It was something that sounded so strange, in every way. We understood what we understood, we went to R' Wosner, in his time, and we are

repeating what we understood, but R' Wosner takes a paper, and writes down all the questions he has, there were no faxes, there were no phones, there was nothing. What year are we talking about? '83, '84. Oh wow. I've been married since '79. I was 13. I was born in '82. Here she comes. And then we took the letter to the professor, Professor Mashiach, and he read it very seriously, and provided answers, and explained the process. We went with the letter to R' Wosner, we exchanged letters two or three times, he understood the process, and gave us permission to do it. Approval to do it. So I was

the first in Bnei Brak to do fertility treatments. In Assuta. Assuta wasn't where it is today in Ramat Ha'Chayal. It was in Arba Ha'Aratzot. Ah, classy. A building was opened there... My father and my husband were born there. Yes, right. - And my mother also. - The department was opened in January, Yes, right. - And my mother also. - The department was opened in January, and already in March I did the treatment there. and already in March I did the treatment there. And confident, of course. They gave me Clomid, and Chorigon, which was given at the time, two eggs, two embryos, they put it in

my womb, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm having twins...can anyone disagree? Days passed - back then they waited only 10 days, They did a test, negative. What?! Like, where did they go? What did I do to them? What did they do to me? What happened? Like this step, they said only had a 25% success rate, but I heard success, I didn't hear percentages. It's heartbreak of the highest degree, it's like you took me to the tallest building, threw me down, and you need to continue. Now you're broken into tiny pieces, and you need to go to work tomorrow, and you need to continue your life, because it

costs a lot of money - and everything was private insurance then, there was no subsidization from Kupat Cholim. Everything, everything, everything... Every cycle. At the time we lived in dollars, I don't know if anyone remembers, but every cycle was like $3,000. It's more than what I earned in a month. My husband and I. Of course I had my father's signed checks, and he would say, "just tell me the amount and date", but he was busy marrying off the kids, and I was embarrassed to take him up on it, only if I got stuck, but I got stuck, so I - you took from your father - I took from my father.

And then they said, yes, it happens, it has a 25% success rate, and so I continued, and continued, and then public places opened, which didn't cost as much money, from Sharon Hospital, to Tel Ha'Shomer, to Asaf Ha'Rofei, to Hadassah Ein Karem. From place to place. And the years pass. The years pass, and I, with the help of hormones, am already producing 20 eggs, 15 eggs. And they're all fertilized, and the embryos are disastrous. Until I became a supervisor, I didn't understand why they told me "the embryos aren't pretty." I'm not pretty enough? Right, it's a valid question... But it's an

expression used to describe embryos - "the embryos aren't pretty." And then I realized that their development wasn't good. After we'd been married for 11 years, we got to Professor Shenker at Hadassah Ein Karem, he said that if we've already done this so many times, it's important to look into this further. Back then there were genetic tests. They did genetic testing for us, and he said that we weren't compatible. Very nice. You didn't do Dor Yesharim? There was no Dor Yesharim. I was 29, married for 11 years, and we aren't suitable. And we won't have children together. Only each one on their

own. Okay. We go home, we cry, we finish crying. I'm actually very sweet, my husband is a Kohen, I suggest to him that he gets divorced. Also he doesn't have any issues. So he told me that I'm the most non-believing woman he knows, as if he knew women. But if HKB"H put us together, the test is ours, it seems as though you're guilty. And whoever has a test come their way, and he overcomes the test, will experience a miracle. And whoever doesn't will descend into the abyss. So let's overcome this test, and with G-d's help, he said, "you'll see, ultimately we'll have a child." That's what he

said, "in the end we'll have a child." You understand, the faith of people, people with faith? And then we decided - okay we knew that realistically we couldn't have children, so we were driven towards adoption. And we waited 7 years for her. We received her after 7 years. I told you, if you know someone who won the lottery, and if you don't know anyone, it's me. I won an amazing girl. She came to us when she was 10 days old. Joy, that's impossible to understand, erupted. And suddenly we're father and mother. And my husband, is not the type that is always looking... He came home a few times

during the day. "Yitzchak what happened?", "No, just checking to see that she's okay." What did you think I was going to do to her? No, no, she's okay. Beautiful, B"H. Just to see, give a kiss, and we move on. Like it was the greatest joy. Five months pass, and for me, like a Swiss watch, always a few days before the time. If 28 is normal, for me it was 24, 22. And it doesn't come. Okay, but I have pains. I go to the doctor I work with, I tell him, maybe I have cysts, because... for me it can't be that it's not. And I knew he would ask me, if I did a pregnancy test. I thought to myself, this

silly doctor will ask me if I did this... You know I can't become pregnant, you know everything isn't okay by me. So I said in the morning, just to be safe, before...I'd tell him I already did a test. Of course I had these self-tests, because every month I would think... So I checked, and it stayed in the restroom. After, I said I'll make sure that my husband doesn't see this nonsense again. So I go in, two stripes. I remember myself opening my eyes, looking in the mirror, and I say, "Me?!" Like, two stripes? Can it be? And suddenly, in one moment, I said, HKB"H isn't teasing me, there are

two stripes here, I'm expecting. I go call my husband, no "Hi", no "Good morning." He would leave while I was asleep, because I was still with Rachel... like, as if after giving birth. So, it was during my maternity leave, no "Hi", no "Good morning." "Yitzchak, I'm expecting." Okay. Now... No, he said, when he got home, he said he thought, ultimately it makes sense that I'd go crazy, after everything I did. It makes sense for me to go crazy. And I put the kit on the kitchen table, two stripes. He says to me, "nonsense, it's a mistake." I said to him, "it's not a mistake, HKB"H isn't teasing

me." I said to him, "it's not a mistake, HKB"H isn't teasing me." I was a secretary at a women's doctor, I had available appointments. "I'm taking the appointment, watch Racheli." I'm going to do a pregnancy test. "I'm taking the appointment, watch Racheli." I'm going to do a pregnancy test. I go to do the pregnancy test and return. He's sure I've lost my mind, finally. Okay, and on the same day, I had to work at the women's doctor, Racheli had a babysitter, and he took me. Of course I first told him to stop... Back then there weren't cellphones or electronic devices, you have to go to the

machine and take it out. I take it out, The beta is 456 and I'm on day 29. I go out, and my husband is in the car looking at me, and I gesture this to him. I get in the car, and I said to him, "Yitzchak, I'm expecting." He thinks I'm not normal. I tell him, "here's the result, so let's go to the doctor." We go to the doctor, we go in, and we would always say, "Guess who is expecting" Who did treatment two weeks ago... We start thinking...He begins to think and he says, "I don't know." I give him...I couldn't tell him, so I put the paper, and he reads like: "from Bnei Brak"... and the name at

the end. His eyes widen, and he says, "let's do an ultrasound right away to see where it's located." Because it's not possible that it's in the right place. - Yes, that's immediately what they say. Yes, that's right. With closed tubes...in general. He does an ultrasound, on day 29, there is a yolk sac in the womb. Wow. What goes through your mind at those moments? I wrote it, I wrote it to the kids, like a diary for them. The joy and the happiness, it's not something that... they also said that when I am pregnant I also have an issue, because I had five abdominal surgeries, so I have a

problem, and I have cervical weakness, so I have that, and that, and that. When I went to the doctor and told him, "they told me," He checked and said, "I don't know, everything is fine." When I went to the doctor and told him, "they told me," He checked and said, "I don't know, everything is fine." The pregnancy passed, "eventfully," and of course I gave birth by C-Section. And when my husband told me, I was in a Kimpeturin home, what to bring to the bris for me, I told him, "a baby in the womb." That's it, I was off on my way. I was a mother to two small children, a year and a barely two

months between them, I had a double stroller, in the small children's room, when we knew we'd only have one child, the whole house was huge, and only the children's room was small. There was a bed and a crib. Overpopulation. Our photographer is crying. I am too. Our photographer is crying, all of us together, because, Adi, this moment in which a woman who so desperately wanted children holds them in her arms... It's... But also this process of suddenly discovering in your stomach, a pulse that's beating. And you understand that the Creator of the world is saying to you, "Take, my doll. I'm

relying on you." It's a Jewish soul that's starting a journey here. I'm also very connected to this, like, simply by... And I'll give you the reason. After all, the issues weren't resolved, right? Right. You said that... I did something that is also a very, very big thing in our writings. To take a Jewish girl and raise her in a Chareidi home, I say, HKB"H repaid me, cash in hand, immediately, because it was... Against all odds. Yes. Wow. Wow. I also really... I know how hard it is for women and couples, and... regarding the topic of pregnancy, and birth, which is it's own project. Really,

every day that they write to me, and you know, they write positive reviews, and, really, it's already after... and also about fertility preservation, we started with this. All the thanks. It's impossible to explain this feeling, when I... When someone sends me pictures in the middle of the day of babies, or that they... We already have a few couples who started specifically in our clinic, which is a homelike clinic. I mean, it's really boutique, it's small, we're not overloaded either, There is also a lot to do, without touching base throughout the day in our work. And this feeling, that you

stop for a moment, you say, wait, something happened in the world. A baby was born. It's a feeling that's hard for me to explain, I also connect to it from a personal source, because I actually became an aunt, three days ago. "B'shaa Tova, B'shaa Tova" And really, it's very emotional. You say, something happened. Something happened. A baby was born. And even more, at this period of time. Yes - Difficult. And it's so important, that even professional people, and even people who work all day in this job, - yes - don't become desensitized. Right. You have to remain human. Because despite the

technical knowledge and experience people have on a daily basis, the soul is unique, when it comes into this world, and if we don't stop and recognize it... I always end my broadcasts on the radio in one sentence. There are women who write to me, thank you, and there are women who tell me, "I have a hard time with this sentence." but: "Run and hug your children." Yes. "Run and hug their parents." "Run and hug your parents." When suddenly, when you want to be a mother so much, and it happens to you, suddenly you really appreciate both the father and the mother, and also all the generations

that have passed, that brought us, to be those of this generation. Thank you. Thank you, Sara. Thank you for the story. Thank you for everything you do for Jewish girls to help them have a Jewish home, full of children's laughter. Thank you, Adi. Thank you. Send regards to Dr. Gold, and thank you for the radiant faces that you greet the women in the most difficult processes there are. Thank you for being with us. "Run and hug." In the years that women are hoping to have children, it's impossible to describe this desire. It's the ultimate desire. It's something that occupies the mind and

thoughts all day. They are the ultimate prayer. Prayer is something spiritual. One's will is something spiritual. Go somewhere quiet and green, and discover where will begins, and also discover how it ends. With a product, with a baby. With a Jewish soul. With eyes, with a smile, with the great embrace of reality.